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i'm kate snow. good afternoon. the 2016 election seemed like a hollywood movie at times and now that drama carries on, albeit in a different form. this afternoon we're watching trump tower closely and the decisions being made behind those closed doors. donald trump's search for a cabinet is evolving. we're obviously still tracking the big names, who's in, who's out. there's a rather noticeable trend going on today. people with close ties to chris christie, systematically being dropped out of the transition team. our team is in place with the latest from trump tower to capitol hill to athens, greece, with president obama. let's start the hour down in washington, though, my colleague peter alexander is covering team trump for us this afternoon. peter, this transition process for the president-elect seems like it is changing every hour. give us the very, very latest. >> reporter: well, we know behind closed doors right now the vice president-elect mike pence is visiting privately with president-elect trump, where they're going through some names to try to whittle down that
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list, even as deliberations heat up right now. some names we've been reporting over the course of this day that still remain likely to be in high profile positions, according to sources familiar with these conversations, include the former u.n. ambassador john bolton. he's a hawk. critics say, perhaps, is too hawkish and wouldn't be aligned with donald trump. he was an unrepentive supporter of the war in iraq that donald trump says he was against although at the time there were mixed reviews on that. john bolton also said in 2016 while the u.s. was considering its deal with iran should bomb iran. as f rudy giuliani, he's northerly name that's being considered. aides saying he's looking increasingly likely as potential secretary of state. it's a topic giuliani himself even addressed in a "wall street journal" forum last night. take a listen. >> we don't have john bolton here tonight so i'm going to ask you some questions.
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about -- >> john would be a very good choice. >> is there anybody better? >> maybe me. i don't know. >> so, giuliani certainly having fun with this conversation early on. earlier i spoke to armstrong williams, say close aide to dr. ben carson. there was some reporting dr. carson had been offered by the trump transition team the position of health and human services secretary. armstrong williams tells me, in fact, that no position was ever offered to dr. carson. in fact, he says, the dr. carson believes it would be a disservice to the president-elect to serve him in that capacity, even though he ran for president. armstrong williams tells me that because dr. carson has no experience running a federal bureaucra bureaucracy, he would be best serving the president-elect in the form of the role of a trusted adviser and friend. kate? >> peter, before i let you go, can i ask you one more thing. elliott cohen, who worked for george w. bush in the state department, a republican foreign
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policy expert, he signed a letter a while back in favor of hillary clinton. he support clinton. he wrote an op-ed last week called to an anxious friend and he made the case last week that the trump presidency, quote, may not be as awful as we think. but then today this tweet comes out from cohen. after exchange with trump transition team, changed my recommendation. stay away. they're angry, arrogant, screaming, you lost. will be ugly. are you hearing that from other sources? >> this sort of punctuates a point you made in the introduction, the idea, including this abrupt resignation of one of the transition team members, mike rogers, former congressman from new york. he's no longer a part of the transition team. in fact, we were told by sources that he's part of this, quote, stalin-esque type purge where people not close loyalist of trump, rogers because he was associated with chris christie are being pushed away in some form prp chris christie's relationship is significant
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because of the backstory with jared kushner. ivanka trump's husband, the son-in-law of donald trump. it was kushner's father that was prosecuted in the fast by chris christie. what we're watching in effect is this loyalty test. they say chris christie was not supportive in some of the tougher times for donald trump, they may be the first jettisoned in this process. >> loyalty test, indeed. thank you very much. there's more to do today for the president-elect other than just assem bebling his team. there are 66 days before he's sworn into office. my colleague, kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. you have new reporting this afternoon on the start of what will become a presidential daily briefing. when does that happen? i can tell you this is
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additional breaking news. the first presidential daily briefing for president-elect trump and vice president-elect mike pence has now been completed. we were first to report earlier today that was scheduled for today, one week after they won the election. and some time had passed when they were eligible for this report. this is a culmination of the most pressing information for a president on intelligence issues. threats around the world, sources and methods being used. it is identical to what barack obama receives each day and it is president obama who authorized that trump and pence receive the exact same briefing. my reporting says that this occurred in new york today at trump tower with a career briefer, meaning someone who is not a political pointee, an expert from the intelligence community, who understands these issu and was able to present is to the president-elect and vice president-elect. it comes, kate, at a critical time when they are trying to make these decisions about who will be in the white house with them and staffing the major
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agencies. some of those key national security appointments have not been made publicly yet. we don't know if donald trump has decided on his national security adviser or his secretary of state or his secretary of defense. so, getting this information will be a part of what life is like for trump and pence as president and vice president going forward. we were the first to report this. i can tell you the first pdb, as it's known in washington, has been completed. >> a bit of developing news. let's turn from president-elect to congress. house republicans holding their leadership elections as we speak. last hour we learned house speaker paul ryan will keep his post. kasie hunt is on capitol hill as well. it's a closed-door process, cbu explain what we think is happening behind those closed doors. >> reporter: sure. this is a much lower drama process than we thought we would see from house republicans at this stage. it's all because donald trump
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unexpectedly won the election. so, there was no opposition -- remember the freedom caucus when john boehner was speaker. a lot were silenced by the fact that now trump has won so the imperative here for republicans to appear unified. so what's going on is they are nominating behind closed doors all the posts for conference. the top one, of course, being house speaker. there's no real contest for any of them except for the chairmanship of the rncc, the committee in charge of electing republicans in the next congress two years from now. seeing a little bit of a battle over that. but nothing particularly major this is, of course, the internal version of this and the language we're using is that ryan has been nominated unanimously as speaker. he'll have to go through a formal vote on the house floor come january when the new congress convenes. you could potentially see some opposition on the floor, but it
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would be likely that this would be more of a kind of public show of agitation over one issue orr another than it would be a real threat to his speakership. so, i just -- i can't underscore enough to you how today has been oriented around house republicans trying to present a united front behind donald trump as the republicans that are governing both white house and the congress. they all had "make america great again" hats put on their seats. a number were wearing the hats around the hallways. one congressman, joe wilson, doesn't wear hats indoors. too much of a southern gentleman for that but he would be wearing it at a later time. this is noteworthy because so many members were so uncomfortable with donald trump's bid for president. trump beat 16 other republicans who, quite frankly, more had more in common with a lot of the members here in this hallways. so, the challenge now for republicans is going to be governing because it's not clear to anyone that donald trump is
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actually someone who holds the conservative ideas that a lot of lawmakers up here have built their careers around fighting for, paul ryan chief among them. what does this mean as they start to get down to the business of legislating? for now, at least outwardly, they say they've got it all together. kate? >> kasie hunt on capitol hill, thank you. after a dramatic election where hillary clinton won the popular vote, but did not win the election, there's a lot of talk today about whether our election system in the u.s. is working. democratic senator barbara boxer said she will introduce a bill to abolish the electoral college. trump does not agree with that, by the way. overseas president obama is weighing in on the election results. chris jansing joins me from athens, greece, first stop on his big final foreign trip. chris? >> reporter: yeah, i have to say, kate, this isn't the trip he thought he was going to be taking. he'd be looking forward to it for a long time going to place, meeting with people with whom he's close, people who like him
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in europe. instead, of course, he finds himself defending donald trump or at the very least trying to calm the fears of many world leaders. greece with its crushing debt. the u.s. has helped them to get toward finding a better path towards solvency. donald trump has called the greek debt problem unsalvageable. so today with the greek prime minister he talked about how he does not believe this election was a referendum either on his tenure as president or on his world view. take a listen. >> i do believe separate and apart from any particular election or movement that we are going to have to guard against a rise in a crude sort of
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nationalism or ethnic identity or tribalism that is built around an us and a them. i will never apologize for saying the future of the humanity and the future of the world is going to be defined by what w have in common as opposed to those things that separate us and ultimately lead us into conflict. >> reporter: and he said in his most pointed way yet that he believes that world view is right. maybe people won't agree with it in the short term, but in the long term it will hold. he did get a little bit of a relief from the pressures of this trip. there was a state dinner tonight with the president and prime minister over at the presidential palace. i just came from there. and tomorrow he actually gets to
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talk about this being the birthplace of democracy. you can see behind me is the acropolis and the parthenon. he'll have a visit there as well. but then he gets back on a plane after giving a speech, heads to germany, meeting with angela merkel and other eu leaders. again, he'll have the same push and pull that he had here to try and calm the nerves of leaders essentially being an emissary in some ways for donald trump in saying, i'm going to make sure that this is a smooth transish. we have to give him a chance. kate? >> chris jansing following the president. all this week chris will be bringing us exclusive access inside that final trip overseas. up next, does rudy giuliani have a liability? he's a front-runner for secretary of state, as you've heard, but could his paid stints as a skurlt ant for foreign governments, including venezuela and qatar, present major conflicts of interest? proud of . ge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer
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this afternoon a new report from politico that could mean trouble for one of donald trump's closest advisers. the headline reads, giuliani took money from qatar, venezuela, irany exiles. his former clientele could present as conflicts of interest as secretary of state. joining me, the journalist behind that piece. nice to see you. you started the article with this sentence, rudy giuliani's paid consulting for foreign governments would present conflicts of interest as the nation's top diplomat that would make the clinton foundation look trifling. tell us what you're reporting. >> well, certainly a lot of people online had things to say about that sentence, but the reality is, republican critics, despite all the criticism of the clinton foundation, clinton's
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defenders will point out there was never any suggestion that she personally profited from the foundation's acceptance of donations from overseas. and that's very different from what we're talking about here with rudy giuliani, where he himself, his consulting firm, and a law firm that he was named partner of, all did work for a number of foreign governments that sometimes found themselves at odds with u.s. foreign policy. >> let me ask this, though, because giuliani has had some very brutal things to say about the clinton foundation throughout the campaign, but when hillary clinton was defending the foundation, she said, look, when i was secretary of state, i was separated from that foundation. there was no money influencing me. i was walled off from that. why wouldn't the same thing apply to rudy giuliani, if he becomes secretary of state, which we don't know will happen, but if he does, couldn't he say, look, that's in my past, i dealt with those countries but now i'm going to have no conflict of interest? >> that's certainly something that could be worked out as par
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of the confirmation proceedings or in an agreement with the administration if he were to be named to that position. but one of the steps that you would probably take to avoid a conflict of interest in a situation like that is a recusal. it would be pretty unusual for a secretary of state to be recusing himself for major parts of the world where he -- because of a conflict of interest, where he couldn't be involved. it would pretty directly interfere with his ability to do his job. you know, it's funny when a lot of these issues arose during giuliani's own bid for the presidency in 2007 and people at that time were calling it an unprecedented level of business entanglements for a potential commander in chief. certainly, that's now been eclipsed by donald trump and his many foreign business ties, many of which are still not known. but if giuliani is going to be part of his administration, can that's certainly a factor as well. >> did you -- i know we reached
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out, msnbc news reached out to the giuliani team and the trump transition team. we haven't heard anything back on this subject, have you? >> i have not. >> politico reporter, isaak. thank you for being with us. appreciate it. up next, the unprecedented president-elect. trump explores the possibility of getting high-level security clearance for his children, donald jr., ivanka and eric. that inquiry, something that hasn't been done before. plus, conflict of interest with his children involved in the transition. the trump organization far from separated from the trump administration. we'll look at that. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. proven to help the majority of people find clear or almost clear skin. 8 out of 10 people saw 75% skin clearance at 3 months.
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of family and businesses inside president-elect trump's world and how those may conflict with his duties as president. nbc news has confirmed that trump's transition has asked the white house about possibly granting pop secret security
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clearance to his three eldest children, ivanka, eric and donald jr., asked as an inquiry about that. a transition official says it was just an inquire respect. it was not a formal request, as his children are being given control over trump's businesses. we'll get to the businesses in a moment, but let me start with msnbc terrorism analyst and executive director of the terror asymmetric project, malcolm nance. good to see you. i usually see you when horrible things are happening. >> hold on. it's early yet. >> right. but talk to me about this notion that they made an inquiry, they asked a question to see -- they're an incoming administration, they wanted to know what the rules are, could children have security clearance. that's not typically done? >> no, that's not typically done. people are starting to mince words here. what you'll see is family members of the president and his immediate family will be given a security clearance related to the protocols of the secret
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service's secret operations in protecting them, their protective details. >> so they know what's happening -- >> so they can know. they know evacuation protocols, shelter in place protocols. those are classified, classified secret, top secret. what we're talking about here is information related to the intelligence community's work g workings of the united states for them as informal national security advisers. that requires, one, a billet, a job slot that requires you to have that information, a need to know that information, and, two, it requires a background check that's pretty extensive. generally takes a year, year and a half. the president of the united states could just summarily order they have that information but that would virtually violate every rule -- >> is that would probably go to a court. >> and they would have to be read out of that program, debriefed. >> why would they have asked the question, do you think? why would they want the children to have that level of access? >> i think they're pushing the envelope. i think they really believe they're an integral part of the
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president-elect's incoming sdpeem they want that information. but it violates the law. stephanie's probably going to tell you in a moment, to have someone with a conflict of interest, this information is the property of the government of the united states using highly sensitive sensors, spies in place, all the multibillion dollar materials which comes to a conclusion which can be bought, sold and traded. >> to be clear, we haven't found any example in history, in the past -- >> ever -- >> right. of a president asking for his or her family -- his, always, to ask for that level of security clearance. >> no, they haven't. this would be the equivalence of malia obama being 18 and i want her to know how sensitive satellite information is collected over the middle east. she has no need to know that. if you have no role within the united states government that is legal, justified and requires
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you to know that information, you shouldn't have it anyway. >> malcolm nance, nice to see you. >> my pleasure. >> let me bring in on the conflict of interest surrounding his businesses, let me bring in msnbc host stephanie, who's be following that angle for us. let's start with how big and complicated and messy the situation is, because we've never had anything like this before. >> it is unprecedented. donald trump's company is private. he's never had shareholders. the shareholders are now the american people. if you look at, this it's a multinational company. they're operating in 22 countries. countries like china, saudi arabia, turkey, in fact, last year donald trump was specifically asked about turkey and isis's role there. he himself admitted, i'm a little conflicted. take a look. >> i have a little conflict of interest because i have a major, major building in istanbul, and it's a tremendously successful job. it's called trump towers. >> now, a major project in
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istanbul. he has said he's not going to put his business in a blind trurs. he's not legally obligated to. his kids will run it. he also wants his kids to be part of the transition team, have security clearance. think about the kind of information they would have and involved in businesses in places like turkey. it's dicey. >> to be clear, there was a tweet last hour from sean spicer at the rnc quoting jason miller, spokesman for trump, saying they have not requested security clearance for any family member. no paperwork has been submitted to that effect. as we said with malcolm, we think it was just an inquiry, just a request. this isn't just about hotels and properties and golf courses. this also has to do with the debt donald trump has. explain that. >> donald trump is a massive banking client. the trump campaign talked about hillary clinton's ties with wall street. one of donald trump's main lenders is deutsche bank. he currently owes them 300 million bucks. that's fine. nothing wrong there. except for the fact that deutsche bank is currently negotiating with the department of justice about the billions of
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dollars they're facing in fines around trading toxic mortgages that led to the financial crisis. again, there isn't a smoking gun. there are questions, at a time when this country wants to put their mind at ease. >> in terms of the brand, the trump brand, we got interesting news this afternoon that new yorkers are paying a lot of attention to. some of his buildings are having the trump sign literally is going to be taken off the building. >> it might be taken off tomorrow. remember, new york city didn't vote for donald trump. so it's not necessarily a reflection on the country. but you've seen it. trump boulevard on the west side. you've got three buildings in a row, trump place across the side. >> i passed it yesterday. >> the residents have spoken. 600 of them signed a petition. some simply said, i want my home to be a place of so will lalace rest. i don't want politics there. some were much angrier and saying what donald trump represents, alluded to hate, saying that's not where i live,
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that's not my home. they like to point out, donald trump doesn't own the building so they don't think he deserves to have his name in gold. earliest tomorrow it will be down. >> they won the fight. >> they won the fight. coming up, as house democrats struggle to regroup after what they're calling last wednesday's shellacking, they push off their leadership vote until after thanksgiving. is this a bad sign for long-time party leader nancy pelosi? he gets a lot of compliments.
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for more, i want to bring in democratic congressman adam schiff of california. congressman, nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> so, we just reported that they will now -- you will now have your elections for house leadership for the democrats on november 30th. do you support that idea of kicking the can down the road a bit? >> you know, i'm fine with that. i think other members wanted more time to discuss just what happened this election. i don't think it means any dramatic change in terms of our leadership. in fact, what we really need more than anything else right now, we are in the minority, and have to confront one party controlling all levers of government, is a leader that can effectively counter that when necessary, that can organize our caucus, that can be an effective force for the minority and nobody better than nancy pelosi is at doing that. i don't think there's any question about our leadership at the top. people want time to digest this dramatic setback in the election and what it will mean for us. the reality is when you're the minority party in a presidential
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year, you raise the money you have to raise, you recruit the candidates and then you hope that the wave is moving in your direction and that you can capitalize on it. this time the wave was not moving in our direction. and we're going to have to take stock of that and figure out how do we address those voters in the middle of the country, how do we address the economic concerns they have, and much more effectively, bring that electorate within the democratic party. >> one could argue, why not make the democratic leadership more representative of the areas you mentioned? i know there's talk about tim ryan, a congressman from ohio, maybe mounting a bid for leader and going up against nancy pelo pelosi. you wouldn't want to see a change? >> i wouldn't want to see a change from, i think, the most effective leader that we've had in decades. i think nancy pelosi is the only one capable of really keeping this caucus together, keeping us focus on the vital role we'll have to play in the next few years, that is working with add
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administration, infrastructure. when they try to roll back the progress of the last eight years, try to potentially eviscerate some rights we fourth for, i want the most tenacious, energetic, organizeized, strategic thinker our caucus has and that's nancy pelosi. i want someone tough as nails, and nancy can be tough when she has to negotiate. that's what with we're going to need. yes, we have a lot of intro specs and we need to think about reaching out to those voters but we don't want to lose, i think, the best general in terms of organizing the effort to confront our minority status here. >> congressman adam schiff, a democrat on capitol hill. thanks for being with us. i want to shift over to the republican side. these are the new republican leaders just elected. and we're going to listen in for a couple of minutes here. >> and when -- at our convention in cleveland when donald trump said, i will be your voice, to all the people across this great nation that feel like government's not working for them, we now have that
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opportunity to work together, to turn it around, to create jobs, to rebuild the middle class. and there are a lot of excited members in our conference. i'm sure one of them that can't wait to get to work to implement those kind of reforms that are going to be necessary to get our economy moving again, to make america great again, and to get this country back on track. >> well, first i want to congratulate our newest members of our leadership team. i want to congratulate jason smith, steve stievers, doug collins for being a part of our unified leadership team. i want to say a couple of things. number one, to all americans, to every citizen in this country, who's worried about the future of this country, who's worried about their future, who's worried about the direction we've been going, we hear you and we are hear to fix problems. we're very excited to get to work. in leadership team is unified, this entire house republican conference is unified. and we are so eager to get to work with our new
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president-elect to fix america's pressing problems. this is something we're ready to do and this is something we're going to look back upon as a moment where we met the moment it needed to be met, by confronting america's problems and fixing them so that all of our citizens are better off. thank you very much, everybody. appreciate it. >> republican leaders on capitol hill. you just heard paul ryan there, the newly re-elected house speaker, and they're celebrating their victory today, talking about working with a trump administration. coming up, why is president obama smiling? that is the question one writer is asking, saying he's been too nice to president-elect trump. why? that writer joins us up next. i had a wonderful time tonight. me too! call me tomorrow? i'm gonna send a vague text in a couple of days, that leaves you confused about my level of interest. i'll wait a full two days before responding. perfect! we're never gonna see each other again, will we? no-no. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant?
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i don't think he is idea logical. i think he's pragmatic in that way.
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and that can serve him well, as long as he's got good people around him and he has a clear sense of direction. >> that was president obama yesterday as he tried to reassure supporters about the election of donald trump. our next guest took issue with some of the president's remarks over the past few days, saying they seem utterly at odds with the mood of the nation. this comes from a piece in "the washington post." the headline is, why on earth is president obama smiling? dana milbank is a political columnist with the post, author of that piece. dana, nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> tell me about the piece, for people who didn't read it, why did you write this, why do you think he shouldn't be smiling? >> well, you know, for one thing, the president led off at the press conference with, i think what you'd call, an everything is awesome kind of presentation of how well the economy's doing and climate change and international affairs, just sort of ticking off the achievements of his administration. while those may may be true, it's not really how people are feeling now.
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we have half the country who's ready to undo everything obama has ever done and then you have the other half of the country feeling rather dispirited that his entire legacy is going to be tossed away. it felt rather discordant and in terms of -- he was actually quite, i think, lavish in his trump of praise and didn't mention hillary clinton at all. it's certainly one thing to say the election's over, let's all rally around the president, but he seemed reluctant to even to -- he wouldn't even weigh in on the appointment of steve bannon. i think it went beyond saying, let's all be good americans and rally behind the president, to sort of normalizing some of the truly extraordinary and out of bounds things trump had done. >> well, isn't that the tradition of sitting presidents? i mean, when you look at prior transitions, george w. bush didn't say a bad word about barack obama after he was elected. there's this sort of propriety that comes over washington in the transition process. >> no, and i agree. and i think that part of it is
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important and, you know, remember back to al gore's gracious concession speech in 2000. this is very important and peaceful transfer of power. president obama went a bit further yesterday and, you know, sort of vouching for trump not being idealogic cal, be pragmatic, an impressive leader and able to accomplish extraordinary things, that may be turn out to true. he may wind up regretting those words. i was with george w. bush when he went to europe and looked into putin's soul and said, here's a man i can work with. it didn't turn out that way. so, i -- i think he went beyond the call of duty and -- not just being reasonable about how americans need to rally behind trump but actually lavishing praise on him. >> you did not go easy on him in this op-ed you wrote. you wrote, this has been obama's pattern. at times when passion is called for he's cerebral and taking the
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long view, so long that it frustrates those living the present. a week after the election with voters reeling, it seems to be on his own legacy. that seems harsh. >> hey, he may be proven right by history. everything he said about all the achievements that he's gained during this administration, it's all true. it doesn't do a lot of good if all of that is being undone now. >> and what do you think obama's next step is? i mean, as he makes this three-nation tour overseas, which as we've been reporting is quite different than what he expected to be doing this week, what does he do now? >> well, what can can he do now? there's, you know, 66 days left and we understand that president-elect trump will on his first day in office try to unsign every executive order that president obama has put into place. i think that's why he did things the way he did yesterday and
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just sort of laid out the marker saying, we've done all these things to get our country into a good place. if president trump continues with them, we'll be in even better shape, otherwise he'll be in a position to say, i told you say. now, he may have gone too far in affirming trump yesterday. i think you saw in his remarks in europe, he stepped back from that a little because there is a difference between saying, we respect the office of the president and saying, we praise this man who was elected. >> dana milbank with "the washington post." always nice to see you. thanks so much. >> my pleasure, thank you. coming up, we'll take a turn. "duck dynasty's" willie robertson joining me and fishing coming up after a quick break. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order
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if you're an average american who feels like you've been forgotten, neglected by faraway leaders, that the deck
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is stacked against you and you just can't win, donald trump will have are your back. >> that was willie robertson from a&e's "duck dynasty." he originally backed bobby jindal but after jindal didn't gain momentum, he switched and supported donald trump. i want to bring in willie robertson, the author of a new book "american fisherman." of course, as i said, star of "duck dynasty." nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> you were grimacing when that sound was playing. >> i almost wore the same shirt today. i thought that would be embarrassing. it's my closet -- >> you did support donald trump. i assume you still do. >> i did, i do. >> what do you make of this election? you live in louisiana. what do you say to folks who live in the east coast who didn't get it. >> right. well, they need to -- i know, i
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feel they're sad and i understand that. i wish they wouldn't tear things up. not that they're doing that here, but all the -- you know, the mischief going on. you know, they're not going to change a thing. he's the president for the next four the president and i'm excited about hopefully things changing with both parties. i would like to see change. >> what are kind of change? >> i would like to see them get something done. nothing is getting done. all those things excited. i'm a business guy and i enjoy watching. >> a pretty successful business. >> you met him i assume? >> it totally was not planned. i happened to be in the same city he was. i'm friends with donald trump jr. he's a big outdoorsman.
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he hunted with us a little bit and i texted him and said your father is in oklahoma city. i wanted to see the whole thing and i didn't want to be in the spotlight or do anything. that was the shout of it. i met him there and when i met him, i was so drawn to him. he is such a normal guy. a lot of politicians are stiff and don't seem like normal guys. he seemed like a normal guy and someone i liked hanging out with. i didn't know that was planned. he asked me did i love him? there you go. that's how the relationship began. >> you said yes, right? >> i said i like me some trump. >> you asked about presidents and fishing. does donald trump fish? >> i'm going to try to find that out. people keep asking me that. donald trump is an outdoorsman and eric is as well. >> should he fish? >> if not, we will find out and i have my own camp david. i write about that in the book.
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it would be awesome to get that. it's through the eyes of fishing and all about how fishing plays a role through history. >> what about fishing? a lot more fishermen than hunters. 35 million people buy licenses. we started pulling up all these great stories. history can be boring, but they were interesting about the presidents. george washington was a commercial fishman. that was his most successful business and i have been to where george washington was. you see the river in d.c. and see how these guys made their living. fdr was a huge fisherman and that's what he used. 5u8 these things. there are great pictures of him and churchill. >> there is a lot of fun stories
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in here. i was reading it. you write about the president, but in terms of present day, what fishing has become. commercial fishing on a huge scale. it's hard not to get farm raised salmon at the grocery store. do you see a difference between what's happening on the commercial side and the fish you are talking about? >> it's a big business, no doubt. believe it or not, my father was a commercial fisherman while he was trying to sell this. i know the life of a commercial fisherman. it is a big business. we harvest farm raised and the same way with bucks and animals we had. it's a big business. the fishermen had some of the biggest people to conserve the waterways and all of this. i was talking about that in the book and the wars and everything is a big part of it. >> you buy tuna, can you get expensive. there is a big business.
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around the corner from where the president is. what's going on behind closed doors. are deals being made? what is a state dinner all about? >> they are more relaxed than that. as formal as they are. there might be a round about talk. >> your job is to make sure things run smooth as silk. >> that's a lock box. i can't talk about those. there are small ones. as a matter of fact i was talking with my counter part at the dinner and there are a few things that only us protocol folks see and we like to keep that way. >> the president is someone you have known for a while and not the person who ran for president. you also worked for john kerry.
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give me your sense of his legacy. this election has thrown everything into a different perspective. who is the man you see that we don't see? >> i have never seen a better advocate for america approximate american interests. the smaller meetings and how he is pushing weighty issues and not so weighty issues. >> that's going to wrap up this hour and i will see you at 3:00 eastern time. steve is back at the big board because the election is over, that board doesn't go away. >> it will never go away whether you like it or not. this big board has the countdown. as you can see, 6 days to go as donald trump is sworn in as the 45th president of the united
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states. we are standing by. any minute on the senate floor. harry reid, the outgoing democratic leader is poised to deliver what his camp is suggesting will be a nos barred attack on steve bannon whose selection is chief strategist is sparking controversy. >> this is a man who says by his very presence that this is a white house that will embrace bigotry. >> reed issued a blistering attack on trump after his victory in last week's election. we will bring you what he has to say as he takes the floor in the senate. also on the agenda, rudy giuliani sounds like he wants to be secretary of state. newt gingrich said that might be all that matters. >> i have no doubt

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